[trikes] trikes Digest, Vol 59, Issue 3

[Judy Holder]

Hi
To the persons with hase delta trikes, keitts, has anyone used the hase
factory electric assist on their trikes and how do you like it? Or have you
heard of anyone that has done it?
Also, if not has anyone installed Heinzman electric on front wheel and
results. Have still not dealt with doing the electric assist. Really need to
do it because of physical problems. But know it is expensive and want to do
what works the best and is durable, Plus I have to find a person
knowledgeable to help install in NE USA

Thanks Judy

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>   1. Re: DELTA VS TADPOLE for speed (John Turvey)
>   2. Speed (Ed Logan)
>   3. Fwd:  DELTA VS TADPOLE for speed (Bob Stuart)
>   4. Re: DELTA VS TADPOLE for speed (Garry Buck)
>   5. Re: DELTA VS TADPOLE for speed (Brian Wilson)
>   6. Re: DELTA VS TADPOLE for speed (Garry Buck)
>   7. Delta VS Tadpole (John Cunningham)
>   8. Re: Delta VS Tadpole (Giles Puckett)
>   9. Re: DELTA VS TADPOLE for speed (Mary Arneson)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 21:13:17 +0100
> From: John Turvey <johnturvey at onetel.com>
> Subject: Re: [trikes] DELTA VS TADPOLE for speed
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> On Friday, June 12, 2009, at 05:29 PM, <mgta4 at aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Does anyone have any experience riding both trikes? Is there a
> > difference in speed that could be noticed?? Would one be much faster
> > for touring then the other??
> >
> > Thanks Fran
> > --
> No opinion on speed (I ride tadpoles, so am biased towards tadpoles)
> but for touring, luggage carrying on a delta can be an issue - on a
> tadpole there is (normally) space above the rear wheel for a rack on
> which it is relatively easy to load full touring gear (including
> camping gear), while on a delta it is much harder - unless it is a load
> carrying machine with a load platform behind the seat - when the trike
> will be intrinsically heavier and so slower anyway.  I have done
> several long tours ( 1,500 to 2,000 miles) on my Greenspeed or my Trice
> XXL with all the luggage on the rear rack.  I have even done shorter
> (500 mile) tours with camping gear on the rack on my Trice Micro, but
> that is probably beyond the reasonable load for the rack on the Micro.
> I have also done long tours on my Greenspeed or my Trice XXL with my
> trailer, where loading luggage is much less of a problem - in fact my
> main problem then is carrying too much - I have returned from Holland
> with 40 extra maps or with 20 or more bottles of beer - the 'hill' out
> of the North Shields (Newcastle upon Tyne) ferry terminal, which is
> normally easy, can be very difficult after several weeks in Holland
> where 'hills' are usually only 2 or 3 metres climb to cross a dyke.
>
> I have ridden Kettwiesels with no luggage, and cannot say I noticed any
> speed difference either way compared to riding my tadpoles with no
> luggage.
>
> John Turvey
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 16:10:08 -0400
> From: Ed Logan <bourbonman at cfl.rr.com>
> Subject: [trikes] Speed
> To: <mgta4 at aol.com>
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> Fran, I have always found tadpoles faster than deltas.  But now that I am
> older and have great difficulty getting out of tadpoles I ride my Kettwiesel
> and before that my Greenway.  Having said that, except for my Windcheeta the
> difference was only 1 to 2 miles an hour.  Also now that I have gotten older
> (70 next week) I find I am not that fast on anything.  10-12 on the Kett,
> 12-14 on the Gold Rush and 11-13 on my Metro.  So I have quit worrying about
> speed and just ride along and enjoy the scenery.  My mileage has dropped
> from 100 miles/wk to 80 but I have quit sweating it.
>
> My advice, ride what feels best to you, don't worry about the speed and
> enjoy the ride.
>
> Ed Logan
> GRR, Kettwiesel and Metro
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 14:26:18 -0600
> From: Bob Stuart <bobstuart at sasktel.net>
> Subject: [trikes] Fwd:  DELTA VS TADPOLE for speed
> To: <trikes at bikelist.org>
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>
> >
> >> Does anyone have any experience riding both trikes? Is there a
> >> difference
> >> in speed that could be noticed?? Would one be much faster for
> >> touring then
> >> the other??
>
> To have an equal chance to safely avoid a sudden road hazard, or
> other surprise on tour,  the delta has to be physically larger, which
> will make it slower.  It is also poorly shaped for a good streamlined
> enclosure.
>
> Best,
> Bob Stuart
>
> Never argue with a parrot.
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 15:51:26 -0700
> From: Garry Buck <garrybuck at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [trikes] DELTA VS TADPOLE for speed
> To: <trikes at bikelist.org>
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> I have a Greenspeed GT3 (tadpole) and a Hase Kettwiesel (delta). The GT3 is
> slightly faster downhill because it has a more reclined seat, hence better
> aerodynamics. The Kettwiesel is slightly faster uphill because it has a more
> upright seat, hence better use of muscles. Overall, it's not enough to make
> any difference.
>
> If you want to go fast, get a strong motor. A fast rider on a slow bike
> will beat a slow rider on a fast bike every time.
>
>
>
> ----- Original message ----------------------------------------
> From: <mgta4 at aol.com>
> To: trikes at bikelist.org
> Received: 6/12/2009 9:29:45 AM
> Subject: [trikes] DELTA VS TADPOLE for speed
>
>
> >Does anyone have any experience riding both trikes? Is there a difference
> in
> >speed that could be noticed?? Would one be much faster for touring then
> the
> >other??
>
> >Thanks Fran
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 16:05:37 -0700
> From: Brian Wilson <brian at wildsong.biz>
> Subject: Re: [trikes] DELTA VS TADPOLE for speed
> To: <trikes at bikelist.org>
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> > If you want to go fast, get a strong motor. A fast rider on a slow bike
> will beat a slow rider on a fast bike every time.
>
> When the fast rider rides a slow bike
> does the rider arrive first? Sounds painful.
>
> On the other hand, a slow rider on a fast bike sounds dangerous.
>
> Brian
>
> Congratulations! You have made it to another Friday afternoon.
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 17:25:19 -0700
> From: Garry Buck <garrybuck at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [trikes] DELTA VS TADPOLE for speed
> To: <trikes at bikelist.org>
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> Luckily for all involved, I'm a slow rider on a slow trike, so the problem
> does not arise.
>
> ----- Original message ----------------------------------------
> From: "Brian Wilson" <brian at wildsong.biz>
> To: trikes at bikelist.org
> Received: 6/12/2009 4:05:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [trikes] DELTA VS TADPOLE for speed
>
>
> >> If you want to go fast, get a strong motor. A fast rider on a slow bike
> will
> >beat a slow rider on a fast bike every time.
>
> >When the fast rider rides a slow bike
> >does the rider arrive first? Sounds painful.
>
> >On the other hand, a slow rider on a fast bike sounds dangerous.
>
> >Brian
>
> >Congratulations! You have made it to another Friday afternoon.
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 18:55:46 -0600
> From: John Cunningham <JCRecline at earthlink.net>
> Subject: [trikes] Delta VS Tadpole
> To: <trikes at bikelist.org>
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> No doubt there are plenty of fast Tadpole Trikes on the market.  As
> for a fast Delta, don't forget the RANS Trizard.  Very interesting
> design and I find it to be competitive speed wise with some pretty
> quick Tadpole Trikes.  All the Trizard needs is a good pair of
> aerodynamic fenders on the rear wheels.  They could look cool, add
> speed and keep your elbows from inadvertently contacting the wheels
> while riding.
>
> For what it's worth, I find that on average, I am at least 2 mph
> faster on a fast, two wheeled recumbent.  Something like a Bacchetta
> Corsa or a RANS Force 5.
>
> Heard a rumor that Bacchetta is working on a long wheel base, Tadpole,
> leaning design Trike?  Could be fun!
>
> One more thing, while we are talking about speed.  When you enclose
> the Trike, like a Greenspeed Glyde, Go-One, Quest or any of the other
> Velomobiles on the market, that's where it starts to really get fun.
> On flat terrain it's hard to believe the speeds you can get up to
> without much power input.  As soon as the road heads down, it's
> amazing!  On long climbs, electric assist would be nice ;^)
>
> On my last visit to the RANS headquarters in HAYS Kansas, I saw a cad
> drawing of a Trizard with a full body.  Very nice looking design, it
> even had a little wing like spoiler on the back with solar panels on
> it for?  As an aircraft manufacturer, RANS certainly has the
> production capability and knowledge to produce an awesome, light
> weight Velomobile, no doubt about that in my mind.  If offered, I'd
> order one tomorrow!
>
> John Cunningham
> Recumbent Brothers Cycles
>
> On Jun 12, 2009, at 1:00 PM, <trikes-request at bikelist.org> wrote:
>
> > There are more high quality tadpoles to choose from, but there are
> > good
> > deltas. Anura by Greenspeed may be the lighter weight side of deltas.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 12:35:31 +1000
> From: Giles Puckett <gilesp at iinet.net.au>
> Subject: Re: [trikes] Delta VS Tadpole
> To: John Cunningham <JCRecline at earthlink.net>
> Cc: trikes at bikelist.org
> Message-ID: <4A331073.4020304 at iinet.net.au>
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> John Cunningham wrote:
> > One more thing, while we are talking about speed.  When you enclose the
> > Trike, like a Greenspeed Glyde, Go-One, Quest or any of the other
> > Velomobiles on the market, that's where it starts to really get fun.
>
> Has anyone ridden or even seen a Glyde? And has anyone taken any photos
> of the interior?
>
> G.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 21:39:55 -0500
> From: Mary Arneson <marneson47 at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [trikes] DELTA VS TADPOLE for speed
> To: <trikes at bikelist.org>
> Cc: mgta4 at aol.com
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> We have a Kettwiesel, some Anuras, and we have temporary possession
> of a Sun X3 and have recently arranged for a couple of Sun EZ-3's to
> get to some folks who needed them, with us trying them out on the
> way.  Our tadpole collection includes a Greenspeed GTO and some Cab-
> Bikes.  We have rented several other tadpoles for multi-day tours
> (Catrike, GT-3, Scorpion) and test-ridden a lot of others.
>
> I don't really notice a difference in speed, but our physical
> conditioning has changed (improved) over this time, and of course the
> amount of luggage varies a lot.
>
> It's true that it's easier to transport luggage with the standard
> racks on tadpoles, but the new Anura rack will hold one standard
> pannier, and we have been using a trailer behind the Kettwiesel.
>
> In the last week, I've ridden to work on both the Greenspeed GTO and
> an Anura.  It really feels much better in traffic to be a little
> higher up on the delta.
>
> We have been happy touring on trails with the tadpoles, but on roads
> with traffic, we really prefer the deltas.  Besides, you can hook the
> deltas together.
>
> Mary
>
> On Jun 12, 2009, at 11:29 AM, <mgta4 at aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Does anyone have any experience riding both trikes? Is there a
> > difference in speed that could be noticed?? Would one be much
> > faster for touring then the other??
> >
> > Thanks Fran
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